Ex-White House Press Secretary Recalls Trumps Oval Office Test About E. Jean Carroll

Former White House press secretary Stephanie Grisham has recalled the moment when then-President Donald Trump stared her down in the Oval Office and told her following writer E. Jean Carrolls accusation that Trump raped her in the 1990s that All you do is deny in these situations, Stephanie. You just deny everything all the time, right?

I remember specifically feeling like that was a test for me because he stared me down when he asked me that, Grisham told MSNBC s Alex Witt on Sunday.

Trump knew, of course, I was very close to Melania [Trump] at the time, added Grisham, who also served as chief of staff and press secretary to the first lady during the White House years. She has since become a vocal critic of her former boss.

Trump, the front-runner for the 2024 Republican president nomination, was ordered last year to pay Carroll $5 million after a jury found him liable for sexual abuse and defamation. On Friday, a second jury ordered him to pay Carroll $83.3 million for defamatory comments he made about the writer when he was president.

Grisham said that Trumps attacks on Carroll were straight out of his playbook of trying to undermine anyone who goes against him.

Witt asked if Melania Trump was the former presidents target audience in all of this with his denials and attacks on Carroll.

I think so. Its my understanding that she has been really pressuring him to go out there and defend himself in this particular case, she replied. So I think absolutely that hes probably trying to defend himself with her.

Grisham added, But hes running for president, so hes wanting to make sure that hes using this to his advantage, ... fundraising off of it and whining about how the system is so stacked against him.

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