Dax Shepard s decision to challenge Jonathan Van Ness views on transgender rights left the Queer Eye star crying from emotional exhaustion.

About 24 minutes into Mondays episode of Shepards popular podcast Armchair Expert , a lighthearted interview got prickly after Van Ness implied that right-wing beliefs stem from a lack of education.

I reject that, Shepard said in response. They are conservative. They dont like how quickly the countrys changing. I understand that I can sympathize with that. They have different fears than we do its not cause theyre dumb or uneducated. They have a difference of opinion.

The 36-year-old then argued that misinformation and disinformation play a huge role in conservative ideologies, especially when it comes to gender-affirming care and access to abortion.

When Van Ness tried to point out misinformation on the left, the two began debating whether or not The New York Times was a liberal newspaper. Van Ness, who is nonbinary, trans and uses they/them pronouns, argued that the outlet was far more right because of its anti-trans content. Theyre anti-trans. They platform multiple anti-trans people, they said.